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EoB Heraclius
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posted 09-21-09 05:21 PM EDT (US)         
A Discourse on the Science of Battle in Rise of Nations

Greetings everyone at Rise of Nations Heaven, my username is Heraclius, as you can no doubt tell. Today you will be reading an article prepared by myself on the Science of Battle. Before I begin, I wish you to understand several points. First and Foremost, I am by no means an expert at this game, although I'll be doing my best to sound like one. Secondly, the methods described in this discourse are not the only way to do things, however they have been effective in my experience. With that said, let us get started.

Flanking in Rise of Nations:
Ah Flanking, the commander's greatest asset. Every army has its flanks, and when one of these flanks becomes exposed, a good commander will notice and hit that flank hard. When I fight battles I generally like to keep some Heavy Cavalry in reserve if at all possible, in the event of a flank becoming exposed. Face down against my Heavy and Gunpowder infantry on the front, and Heavy cavalry on the sides or rear not only does damage to the enemy forces, but also the confidence of their commander. Remember, battle is as much a battle of arms as of wits. Getting inside your opponents head is an easy way to achieve victory. I'll touch on that more later.

Back to the topic at hand then, in Rise of Nations, Flanking not only does extra damage, but negates entrenched positions. It also will make artillery and supply wagons in the rear easy targets. I generally play the Greeks, so my Heavy Cavalry are well suited to the task of flanking. However, in most cases Light Cavalry's speed advantage can also be decisive.

Hit and Run:
Hit and Run is the preferred tactic of the Russians in my opinion. The idea of using Light Cavalry to sneak around the enemy army and hit their supply units and artillery is a good one, that can often cripple the enemies ability to seize your cities. While an opponent might have a far superior army, without artillery it will take far longer for it to take/destroy cities and buildings. Not to mention with the supply wagons dead they will take attrition damage, making them easier to kill. The same tactic can work on the attack, take out the enemy's rear positions, forcing them to reinforce them while you hit from the front. Range Cavalry also make amazing units for the task of Hit and Run, as they can fire while moving and are pretty fast.

Choose the Location of Battle:
A very important factor in battles in Rise of Nations is the terrain. Rivers and High Ground play factors, as well as natural barriers such as Forests, Mountains, and Oceans. With all these factors at play, fighting where you want to can make victory against a normally superior force possible. The difficulty is getting your opponent to attack these locations. I have let my opponent see my troops getting into position willing to this end, and it sometimes works. Other ways include forcing the battle by creating a situation in which the opponent needs to pass through the area in question. This tip goes hand in hand with the next one.

Using Terrain to Your Advantage:
Rise of Nations uses a rather complex battle system in which the smallest advantages can tip the battle in your favor. A skilled commander will recognize these advantages and exploit them. The most often overlooked of these advantages is the terrain. Rivers slow down enemies and make them take extra damage. Hills increase the range of Forts, Towers, and possibly units(Untested). Forests and Mountains can funnel the enemy into narrow passages and ambushes. These same factors can also be played against you however, so when on the attack avoid situations in which the terrain is unfavorable whenever possible. Always be aware of the lay of the land, it could well win you the battle!

Diversion:
An extremely useful trick. Your opponent cannot stop your army if his army is on the other side of the map! Diversions can be created using small units of troops, or decoys. The trick is to attack a valuable location with your decoy force, tricking your enemy into moving his troops to the area. Then, you attack your real target in force while his army is busy. Just be careful, if your intent is known to the enemy your main force may well be walking into a trap!

Ambush:
Ambushes are not used as often as they could be, especially considering the General has an ability tailored to it. If you know where the enemy is going, and how they plan to get there, having your army lie in wait for them under the General's ambush ability can net you an easy victory. Not to mention it will mess with your opponents head when a large force suddenly appears out of nowhere. Just make sure to keep an eye out for a counter-ambush!

Psychological Warfare:
This has been touched on at various other points in this article already. Your opponent is a human being and, as such, is prone to making mistakes. If you can make your opponent feel uncomfortable about his position, by making yourself feel larger than you actually are, he will be even more likely to mess up. If you confound him at every turn, he will become frustrated. Just try to keep your own cool, you have the same weaknesses as your opponent!

Strategic Use of Airpower:
Control the skies! I cannot stress this enough, as soon as you hit Industrial, gain air supremacy if at all possible. Of course, don't sacrifice your ground forces to do so! Constantly harassing your opponents army with fighters is an effective tactic. Just make sure to target their AA units first, lest your fighters come crashing down.
During battles, Fighter support can be a decisive factor, since they cannot be hit by a majority of your opponents ground forces, and can strafe tanks and artillery to due severe damage to the ability to fight. If you plan on having a mostly Infantry Force, make sure you have the airpower to back it up. Also, use your fighters to take down enemy fighters to spare your troops some heartache.

Entrenchments:
Entrenchments are amazing, I'll leave it at that. They absorb 33% of frontal and splash damage, at the cost of movement. Some entrenched Machine Guns and Heavy Infantry backed up by some AA and the CEO can make a nearly impenetrable defense. However it works well even with early infantry like Musketeers. That defense bonus can be a huge advantage. However keep a close eye on your flanks. A flank attack will negate the bonuses Entrenchments give. The best possible defense is the one that forces your opponent to cross a River and travel uphill to get to your entrenched forces.

Optimal Movement to Avoid Arrows:
Arrows miss on occasion, especially when fired at moving targets. To help avoid arrows, when you are forced to advance towards, or run away from, archers or towers use shift clicks to queue up movement commands in a zigzag pattern. This will cause many arrows to miss your troops and allow you to get to or away from the archers without taking too much extra damage.
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Naval Combat:
Before we start on this, understand that I have VERY little experience with naval combat.

Ancient to Enlightenment Ages:

Light Ship vs. Heavy Ship:
A lot of people I have played make the mistake of spamming one kind of ship. This is dangerous. Only using Heavy Ships makes you vulnerable to Fire Ships, and only spamming Light Ships makes you vulnerable to heavy ships. Just like on land, maintaining a balanced force of 2 or 3 ships is ideal. The best combination are Light and Heavy, or Light and Fire. Fire and Heavy leaves you vulnerable to other fire ships.

Naval Engagements:
Always stay on alert for fire ships in naval battles, they are lethal. As soon as you seen one, immediately double click on a light ship, and have them focus fire it. If several attack either bring them down one at a time, or spread the fire out over them all. Remember that in mass engagements Light Ships are only good for taking out fire ships, keep them out of range of the enemy Heavy Ships. Use your own Heavy Ships to target the enemy Heavy Ships and Light Ships. Flanks work well as your opponent will likely not expect them on the open sea, just send some ships around their fleet (out of LOS of course) and come around from behind of the side. Flanks work best with Fire Ships assuming you can keep them clear of enemy Light Ships.


Industrial to Information Age
The introduction of Fighters and Submarines in the Industrial, and later Aircraft Carriers and Helicopters in the Modern Age tips the balance of sea power dramatically.

Heavy Ships no longer dominate as Light Ships are even more of a necessity. Not only do they detect and destroy Submarines, but they can take down Aircraft.

On that note, the Carrier becomes the prominent naval unit. Your navy should be split into "carrier groups" each with an Aircraft Carrier and several escort vessels included some Cruisers to deal with submarine attackers. Aircraft Carriers are a huge investment, you would do well to protect them.

In Closure
I will be adding more to this discourse as I have time to write. I do hope that the articles currently provided have proved useful and that I have not wasted your time. I have found that while much of the information put forward is common knowledge, it is rarely, if ever, used.

[This message has been edited by EoB Heraclius (edited 09-28-2009 @ 07:08 PM).]

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mrcash
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posted 09-23-09 10:03 PM EDT (US)     26 / 46       
Are all these posts a sign of better things to come? Is RON Heaven destined for greatness once again? Keep the posts coming guys, this is just what RONH needs!

Now I hate to be such a spoilsport (even though I tend to be) but Id like to bring some debate to these strategies. The articles have been really good but Id like to further debate some of what was said.

First of all: entrenchments. My main issue with them is that your troops must essentially "stand ground" when entranched. When your entrenched army is attacked, you cant bring all of your forces to attack the enemy because of the range limitation. This is especially true if you entrench Heavy infantry. By entrenching them you make them even more vulnerable to gunpowder infantry/archers, because those troops will be able to take potshots without retaliation. Besides that, entrenchments are usually easily flanked and if you command your army to move, they go away immediately. In some cases, such as if your defending a narrow pass, then I might be able to see the usefulness of entrenchments. Online, they are hardly ever used.

Also your light ship strategy (where by constantly moving it you could beat a heavy ship) requires a lot of micromanagement and isnt feasible online because of the second delay between orders.

Other than that, I find that just about everything else is great. Definetly agree with you on the usefulness of decoys and ambushes and Ill admit I dont use those as often as I should.

Darthatari if yourve got your own strats feel free to share them...but make your own post dude. It kinda feels like your highjacking this guy's post =\.

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sargonthegreat
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posted 09-23-09 10:25 PM EDT (US)     27 / 46       
I'd like to see an article in here about how to use Fighters in combat for uses other than targeting the opponent's navy and the opponent's bombers. It seems to me that I really don't use Fighters enough.
Darthatari
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posted 09-23-09 10:38 PM EDT (US)     28 / 46       
Sorry about that. I thought "A Descourse on" was a conversation. I'll remake my reply into a post later. (And refine it).
The0996395
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posted 09-23-09 11:31 PM EDT (US)     29 / 46       
The problem is, mrcash, that everything has a downside. So there are flaws in every plan, which means that you can pick apart things wrong in ANY strategy.

[This message has been edited by The0996395 (edited 09-23-2009 @ 11:35 PM).]

EoB Heraclius
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posted 09-24-09 08:30 AM EDT (US)     30 / 46       
While a Discourse does mean a conversation as its definition, it is a term most generally used for books and writings design to inform about a point of view or just facts in general.

As for the argument about Entrenchments, you make a valid point. However, it does not cost anything to break the entrenchments to deal with a threat, and if your entrenched infantry are backed up by the CEO, their plus 4 range bonus will allow them to outrange just about anything the opponent can throw at them!
sargonthegreat
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posted 09-24-09 12:12 PM EDT (US)     31 / 46       
Also, put a Supply wagon with all of the entrenched forces and you get automatic healing.

Not a bad way to defend.
Scarab25
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posted 09-24-09 01:39 PM EDT (US)     32 / 46       
This is the sort of advice that would be perfect for the RoN manual

Good work

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst (and use this phrase to justify your actions when it goes wrong)
EoB Heraclius
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posted 09-24-09 01:53 PM EDT (US)     33 / 46       
Optimal Movement to Avoid Arrows:
Arrows miss on occasion, especially when fired at moving targets. To help avoid arrows, when you are forced to advance towards, or run away from, archers or towers use shift clicks to queue up movement commands in a zigzag pattern. This will cause many arrows to miss your troops and allow you to get to or away from the archers without taking too much extra damage.
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Thank you for the kind words Scarab.

Also, I have figured out how height affects range. While it doesn't directly modify the range stat, land moving diagonally upward takes up more space than flat land moving the same distance. As such, you can get more shots off on units climbing a hill. If this is the case, elevation will indeed effect units.
The0996395
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posted 09-24-09 05:09 PM EDT (US)     34 / 46       
That makes sense.

Please add Naval Supremacy and your movement micromanagement to your top post.

Oh, and I've had my stockades and bunkers miss on occasion.
sargonthegreat
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posted 09-24-09 05:32 PM EDT (US)     35 / 46       
OK, from now on, everyone may post their Military Strategies in this thread.
Darthatari
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posted 09-24-09 06:55 PM EDT (US)     36 / 46       
Are you sure about a free for all on this post? I just got corrected on putting my stratagies here. Check with EoB Heraclius and see if he is fine with it first.
EoB Heraclius
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posted 09-28-09 07:09 PM EDT (US)     37 / 46       
I've edited the first post with some more information. And you can have a free for all, however only the best information will be put in the first post.
sargonthegreat
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posted 09-28-09 11:17 PM EDT (US)     38 / 46       
Is this first post just military strategies or is it all strategies?
EoB Heraclius
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posted 09-29-09 03:33 PM EDT (US)     39 / 46       
Just military tactics. Tactics, not strategies so no overall battle plans (Build Orders, etc), just tips and tricks to use in battles.
sargonthegreat
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posted 09-29-09 05:33 PM EDT (US)     40 / 46       
That's good to hear. If anyone has any military tips, please post them in this thread!
lolcatz31
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posted 11-30-09 02:15 PM EDT (US)     41 / 46       
BUMP,EOB, put all of these things in one thread and then request a sticky.

mewp: a word to describe awesomeness in its supreme form.

EoB Heraclies gets a hard-on from noobs.

Damn, you got me. I just wish I knew how to make quality threads like you do. -Blatant7
sargonthegreat
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posted 12-17-09 12:58 PM EDT (US)     42 / 46       
You know what I realized the other day? Special forces are extremely powerful.
lolcatz31
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posted 12-17-09 03:00 PM EDT (US)     43 / 46       
if bombing an enemy wonder, no anti air units is invaluable.

mewp: a word to describe awesomeness in its supreme form.

EoB Heraclies gets a hard-on from noobs.

Damn, you got me. I just wish I knew how to make quality threads like you do. -Blatant7
The0996395
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posted 12-17-09 06:55 PM EDT (US)     44 / 46       
Special Forces? I find that they are detected too easily.

I realized that setting up a spy network is fun and easy.
The0996395
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posted 02-27-10 07:01 PM EDT (US)     45 / 46       
Perhaps, EoB, you could add something on medieval battles and formations to use.
lolcatz31
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posted 03-11-10 09:16 PM EDT (US)     46 / 46       
i havent played in a while but i think this is a good thing. "SEA IS KEY" "AIR IS A SPARE" "LAND IS BLAND"

mewp: a word to describe awesomeness in its supreme form.

EoB Heraclies gets a hard-on from noobs.

Damn, you got me. I just wish I knew how to make quality threads like you do. -Blatant7
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